Theological, Historical, and Pastoral Reflections
That was humorous- I thought the Calvinist one was the better of the two. "Good question. I've got to go study Calvin's Institutes some more." I need to use that one some time. Or better yet: "Jesus might love you..." This may revolutionize my witnessing!
I really enjoyed this clip a lot... :)
Enjoyed. Thanks for posting.
Tom,As one who is blessed to sit under Voddie's (and Paul Renfro's) preaching each Sunday, I say "Ouch!" to both videos!I liked the Arminian video better - perhaps because most of my life was spent in churches that spewed forth that doctrine while never revealing the world view behind it, lest we be alarmed.As we are taught each week at Grace Family Baptist, know the gospel, live the gospel, proclaim the gospel.
This could revolutionize evangelism. Just give all your members and iPod Touch, load these two puppies on there, and BOOM! ... Grace Baptist is an instant witnessing MACHINE!Of course, you'd need 3, maybe 4 years training for folks to know which one to show.
This is very funny. I ran them on my blog a while back.David
"I'm a Calvinist. Please let me introduce you to the Scriptures." BAHAAHAAHAA!
Bob:We have already had controversy over the precise moves involved in the monergism dance. That's the problem with these canned approaches. They don't allow any room for free-styling. ;)
Aside from the humor, some important theological issues come to the surface. If God does elect and irresistible grace is true, then the evangelism that truly believes that and operates on that basis will be different than the evangelism of those who don't believe those things. The man who shot several women in PA recently followed a different logic. He said that he had been told that Jesus had died for his sins and so he was confident that he was going to heaven. Since Jesus loved him and died for his sins, he thought he could go ahead and kill the women and still go to heaven. Perhaps, then, we should be careful about how we speak of the love of God.
That was funny , I needed a good laugh . But I didn't realize a Calvinist could bust a move .
RWS,That was obviously one of the "new Calvinists."
What... somebody didn't know that a "calvanist could bust a move"? There are some of us charismatic-calvinists who could show you a few moves. ( lol )Thanks Tom for the humorous clips!J.D. Rector
They were pretty cool, and jolly humorous. I like the English accent, quite lovely indeed, wasn't it?
The Arminian one was definitely the funnier of the two. The Calvinist one was ok except that is not how Calvinists witness generally. I tell folks that Jesus died for you IF you believe in Him. If not, His dying on the cross profits you nothing. So in essence, Jesus died for the elect whether you believe it or not:)
Since (almost) no Arminian claims the title for himself, here's an alternate ending."You must be an Arminian""No, I'm a Moderate Calvinist.""Exactly, you're an Arminian. Please allow me to introduce you to the Scripture."
A friend of mine pointed out the following: "Yes, those were funny clips. However, in the Calvinist one, the Evangelist might have told the guy to repent and believe, so he could make his calling and election sure. After all, God ordains the means as well as the ends."I thought that was a good point. Charlie
They were funny, ha, ha, but asymmetrical.When I was Arminian, I witnessed just like the Arminian did in the clip, as did all my compatriots.Since becoming Reformed, I have never used anything like that "Calvinist" did, nor has any Calvinist I know.However, the bit about needing to go study Calvin did splash close to home, I'll admit.
Is it possible someone can post the proper proposed witnessing encounter?
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