Thursday, October 26, 2006

No applause for Condi

What a difference four months makes. At the June Southern Baptist Convention, Condoleezza Rice was the Belle of the Ball as she received rousing ovations before, during and after her speech. Now, as Baptist Press reports, she is receiving stinging criticism from her former fans over her comments at the installation of the new global AIDS coordinator.

Here's the story:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--Conservative Christians are upset over comments made by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during a State Department ceremony to install Mark Dybul, an open homosexual, as the nation's new global AIDS coordinator.

With first lady Laura Bush standing with her Oct. 10, Rice welcomed Dybul’s family -- which she introduced as his "partner," Jason Claire, and his "mother-in-law," Claire's mother. As Dybul was sworn in, Claire held the Bible.

Several conservatives spoke against the appointment of a homosexual man to an ambassador-level role of stopping the spread of AIDS, and many objected to the "mother-in-law" reference. read the rest of the article

26 comments:

Timotheos said...

No doubt the Bride of Christ feels violated in those infrequent but luminous moments when she realizes she is not the only one who has bedded the State...or should we say, been bedded by the State. Man, Caesar is one promiscuous mistress, and an abuser to boot. I wonder how the Bride will react if the Republicans lose control this November? Hmm...

Timotheos

Micah said...

Not the first time the people of the Lord reject His leadership.

The LORD said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being king over them." 1 Samuel 8:7

But they shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!" "Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked. "We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered.John 19:15

Michael Herrmann said...

Isn't pragmatism a wonderful thing?

J. Gray said...

I thought it was odd that she was welcomed with open arms at the SBC in June, considering some of her political stances (which are directly opposed to Scripture).

But we all know that the SBC has a tendency to be less than consistent with a lot of things...so that wasn't really a shock.

Brian Hamrick said...

We as the SBC tend to be what Whitefield's opponents called him- "pragmatical rascals."

jbuchanan said...

What I am amazed about is that anyone is surprised by all of this. With all due respect to those who invited Dr. Rice to speak at the SBC but it was a mistake. In fact, I think that it is a mistake to have any political leader speak at the SBC. We tend to forget that separation of church and state was a Baptist idea.

sparrowhawk said...

If she’d only spend less time on those appointments she’d be able to spend more time witnessing and baptizing...

scripturesearcher said...

HO HUM .......

WorshipLeader said...

Sparrohawk,
That's absolutely hilarious.
I'm still laughing!

art rogers said...

Amen to all of the above, brothers.

How foolish to court politicians. How is it we can equate politics and holiness?

Caddiechaplain said...

Are the mid-term elections over yet?

Bill Formella said...

I think of of lot of big name Pastor's rather enjoy being coddled by so-called conservative politicians only to be sold out by them when it counts. Sooner or later modern evangelicals will realize George Bush doesn't exactly sit at the left hand of the Father either.

Michael Seal said...

I think Dr. Falwell should take note... but he won't

Kevin Bussey said...

I don't understand why we had her speak at the SBC Convention and she gets a standing O because she is also pro-choice.

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chadwick said...

The SBC is full of pragmatists. . . notice that the SBC "Stepchild," Rick Warren, will be having Mark Dybul behind his pulpit (or on his stage?)at Warren's Aids Conference in November. Having a sodomite on the AIDS prevention task force (or behind the pulpit), is like having a crack junkie on the crack prevention task force with his campaign slogan: "say no to crack" as he snorts a line. Warren also promotes the ABC (abstinence, behavior, & CONDOMS)method to battling AIDS. The Gospel is being lost in the SBC due to pragmatism!

Larry said...

Hopefully the Republican Party cheerleaders in the SBC and other 'conservative' groups will get tired of being embarassed like this (if they are) and stop supporting these wicked politicians. Only when politicians realize that support from Christians requires them to actually SUPPORT what Christians believe in will they change.

As it is now they can scream 'gay marriage' or 'abortion' a few times every four years, get elected and then act however they want when in office.

Robert said...

Besides being pro abortion, doesn't Rice also drink alcohol?!
That means she is EVIL and should not have been allowed within a hundred miles of the SBC meeting this summer!

Brian said...

Drink alcohol?

Whoa...

That means she's evil? I pray there was sarcasm I am missing there.

GOWITHGOSPEL said...

Some never learn

aka

Some never learn

aka

Some never learn

Joseph Botwinick said...

If I remember correct, Rice was there at the convention to speak about freedom and democracy. I had no problem with that. I think we should all remember that Bush and most politicians in Washington are all not pastors (with the notable exceptions of Sharpton and Danforth...LOL), and not pastors, and IMO, possibly not even Christians. Bush is a Universalist. Rice is perfectly happy to talk the talk about freedom, but deep down in her heart, she is nothing more than a Lindbergh isolationist. Her reprehensible actions in Israel prove that. But, then again, I didn't hire them to be pastors. I hired them to win the war in Iraq and Afganistan and not cut and run. Maybe it was a bad idea to have her there. But no, I am not disappointed that they did this as a Baptist. I fully expect silliness like this. If any of you think you are perfectly pure and holy and wouldn't do anything wrong, go ahead and run for office and let's see it. The big problem with that idea is that even if you have been saved by grace, you are still struggling with your sin nature and will eventually do something that someone doesn't like. I guess that is the problem I have with the holier than thous at the Constitution Party. Vote for us and all will be right with the world. In this world, there will be sin and failure. If you ever think you have all the right answers, you better watch out.

Robert said...

Yes, that was sarcasm. ;).Didn't the same convention pass the umpteenth resolution against the USE (not abuse) of alcohol. Therefor Condi Rice is a Libertine (if Dr. Vines forthcoming sermon title at Woodstock First Baptist is any indication), and therefore, EVIL!!! Drinking alcohol is worse that tolerating honosexuals in government; and much, much worse that ignorong the fact of "collateral damage"-i.e. killing innocent civilians in order to get suspected terrorists -in the war in Iraq.

Tim said...

The obvious question here should have been, "What was Ms. Rice doing speaking at the SBC convention in the first place?" It is amazing to me that believers will speak to issues of leadership in the home and the church as among men primarily. The woman has a role to fulfill indeed and is an equal with man, but not in role. The fact that the SBC promoted her and actually asked her to speak as they do so many politicians and then do what they did as far as their outcry against the homosexual nomination and appointment, to me, is somewhat hypocritical. Are we to really believe after all these years in office that Bush, Cheney, Rice and the rest of the cabinet are in any way shape or form on the side of the Lord? I think their track record speaks for itself. The leadership of the SBC should know this by now.

Tim said...

Joseph,

You said, "The big problem with that idea is that even if you have been saved by grace, you are still struggling with your sin nature and will eventually do something that someone doesn't like. I guess that is the problem I have with the holier than thous at the Constitution Party. Vote for us and all will be right with the world. In this world, there will be sin and failure. If you ever think you have all the right answers, you better watch out."

Obviously you have not really taken time to really hear what the Constitution Party says. You are mainly quoting the two party system in power now, not the Constitution Party. They simply believe in less government and don't want to use authority in areas that the Constitution does not permit them to. The idea that you will eventually do something that "someone will not like" is just silly. Of course, there will be people, no matter who is elected, that do things that people don't like. That's not the point. The point is integrity in leadership and a real understanding of the Constitution and I might add a genuine acknowledgment of God, not simply lip service. As no, you don't have to be a pastor to lead righteously. I would simply refer to the end of Psalm 2 and Rom. 13 to make that point.

Joseph Botwinick said...

Tim,

I once considered voting for Peroutka until I met his followers in the CP and found out what they were all about. Mostly a bunch of psychotic, self righteous nuts who care nothing about anyone but themselves.