Theological, Historical, and Pastoral Reflections
Regulative principle? What's that?
Worship of what?
The Castle Church in Wittenburg experiences small earthquake as Luther rolls over in grave.
Did an old pastor find a new job?
Advent Lutheran Church debuts their new sign since changing their name from The Crystal Cathedral.
Never fear, the clown is only with, under, and through the makeup.
Featuring hymns such as:- Clown Him with Many Clowns- Oh For a Thousand Clowns to Sing- Clowning on the Premises- Be Fun, My Soul- Clowning, Joy of Man's Desiring- Jesus, I am Clowning! Clowning!
So, if the worship is led by a clown, what does that make the preacher?
Next Sunday, come hear the mime!
Next Week: "Mime Led Worship."
Sorry slmayes. You got that in before I did! We were posting at the same time and thinking the same thing! Spooky.
"See? Being a Christian CAN be fun!"
I have numerous thoughts, but all too sinful to make public.I have to go flog myself now.
Charles the Brave is leading worship there?
Perhaps the pastor is out performing for kids' birthday parties.
I hope the church doesn't become like a clown car. After the service, you may see more clowns coming out than you thought could fit in there.
Everyone knows that people won't come to see an anonymous clown. Perhaps Advent Lutheran could obtain the services of a celebrity clown. Just imagine the folks would show up to hear Krusty the Clown, Bozo, or Ronald MacDonald!
If they hand out cool little red noses, Im there. ;-)
I have lived long enough, traveled far enough, and heard more than enough to testify that:There are many, many, many CLOWNS leading many, many, many religious groups (commonly called churches)speaking in their worship (so-called) services.Of course, this is written in truth and love. (Ephesians 4:15)
"People just arn't into drama like they were in the 90's. This was an idea that basically put a fresh coat of paint on two fledgling ministries in our church. Our music needed some pizazz in order to keep our people happy and our drama team need a shot in the arm and some direction. Besides, no other church around here has tried this approach. We're kinda beating a new path it seems. Our goal has always been to send people home happier about life and about themselves than when they came in. This can do nothing but help us accomplish that goal." Pastor Roger Smith.
"After we celebrate the Lords table of hot dogs and coke, we will open the sign ups to our up coming mission trip to Six Flags! This is the last year as we have now evangelized all the Six Flags in the country! Do I hear an Amen! Next year will start with the State Fairs! Come all who are in debt and stressed, and we will give you a smile as your the best!
Here's one:"Truth in Advertising"
I just received a thing from "The Pennsylvania Pastor's Network" explaining to me that it is legal for a church as a nonprofit org to have a candidate speak at in worship, as long as you invite other candidates as well (plan so that it's inconvenient for the demoncrats). I was going to throw the piece out (that old regulative principle thing, you know?) But now I'm thinking, Elections are right after Halloween, and what better time for Clown-Led Worship?
Dr. Tom:I see you are a fan of Marc Heinrich as well. :)
FAITH is the latest Baptist ripoff of EE. I guess Clown-Led Worship is the Lutheran ripoff of the Vineyard Laughter movement.BTW...local church bulletin had "Sunday 6 PM,Casual Worship" Does that make anyone think of Aaron's sons and strange fire? I guess having a fire engine in the church could help you put out strange fire.
If my very good friend and worship leader actaully read this blog...I'd take a friendly shot at him and say something like: Tom Clay is at your church this week? LOLBut...since he probably doesn't read the blog and won't be able to defend his honor...I'll refrain :)
I could have sworn it said Founders who let Purgatorio in?
Don't knock it 'till you try it.
Mohler and Patterson to Juggle Election this Sunday...Only kidding, and Tom, if it is over the line don't post it...
Pure blasphemy!!!!!!!Hoyt Sparks
This reminded me of a Chapel Service at Southwestern Seminary in the mid 70's. Dr. Vance Havner was preaching on John the Baptist and he made the observation that "Our churches are becoming three-ring circuses and the seminaries are providing the monkey acts!" I will never forget the expression on President Naylor's face. Priceless.
that quote by havner was priceless and true. he was a great man of God. great preacher too.you know what's just as bad as clown led worship though? dead, dry, ritualistic worship where people act real sophisticated as they sing the old anthems. and, they think that they are better than those shouters down the road that are worshipping with all thier hearts.volfan007
I think it's insensitive of Advent Lutheran to have clown-led worship; some people are terrified of clowns. Perhaps they could have a talk show format.
I guess if you are assuming that shouters worship with their whole heart...whatever happen to just worship in spirit and in truth?
My guess is that the house at the Adventist location was FILLED TO CAPACITY with clowns eager to hear the guest clown.Clowns in various locations and different denominations always attract large crowds.Amd isn't that the name of the game today?
Man I wish that my deacons would stop putting up these signs!
jbuchanan,now that' funny! just when i though you five pointers couldnt joke. lol.volfan007
g.burch,if you dont know the diff between dead, stale, cold worship and worship that's alive and full of God's Spirit...well, what can i say?i didnt say that you had to shout, anyway?...did i?shouting over God's goodness,volfan007
"Send in the clowns" was a phrase reputedly used in a circus when an unforeseen disaster had occurred, with the clowns being sent in to distract the audience from the problem. Wow! Run with that for a while.
Just think of the poor preacher who will have to follow this act... He sure will have some BIG SHOES to fill!Now that's funny.
volfanAccording to some all five pointers are a joke.
I for one think it is a joke that I am anything other than condemned by God! It is laughable that I have the hope of escaping eternal punishment for the ways in which I profaned the name of God before He; by is Glorious, matchless grace, redeemed me for His glory! And it honestly boggles my mind and makes me shake my head when I think He actually set me apart for the Gospel ministry to boot. What a wretch I am. Yet, He made Me His own. In a sense, every time I stand before His people; it is Clown Worship; only I am the bozo trying to get out of the Holy Spirit's way!Joy,Cliff
The new vacation bible school song could be:"If you're happy and you know it honk your nose...If you're happy and you know it honk your nose...For the Happy Guy in the sky is looking down in fun...If you're happy and you know it honk your nose."Might catch on!Blessings,
"Clown leading worship - followed by the Great White Throne Judgment!"
The only thing I can think of to top the clown-led worship would be free beer. They may do that soon.
“Clown led worship” – This sign was how it all began. The church began an amazing time of numerical growth and comical, I mean spiritual, renewal. Advent Lutheran Church soon changed their name to the Ronald McDonald Club at the Park. They then called Bozo the Clown as their first full-time Bozo, I mean pastor. Of course, there were the books that followed: The Clown Led Church, The Clown Led Life, and The Clown Driven Car. :0)God bless!!!In Christ,JLG
sbc pastor, that is too funny! What about 40 Days of Clowning Around?
Byroniac,That's hilarious! 40 Days of Clowning Around must be the latest book in the series. I didn't even know that it was out yet – oh well, I guess that time flies when you’re being fundy, I mean funny :0). God bless!!!In Christ,JLG
maybe some of yall will start having happy hour before the worship service too. then, maybe your people will see "clowns." granpappy said that if you do start this happy hour...pre worship cocktails....just let him know. he has some powerful stuff to sell you. some call it white lightning...some call it moonshine...but yall can call it corn wine.volfan007
Vol Fan,I agree with you - that is certainly another kind of "clowning around." God bless!!!In Christ,JLG
Volfan,You have crossed the line. I put up with your foolishness in the interest of open dialogue. But I won't tolerate your sinful insinuations like that of the post I removed. No amount of "aw shucks" posing can cover your sin. You need to repent.
tom,you need to repent. you need to repent of arrogant, self righteous, judgementalism. you need to repent of being off the deep end. you need to repent of trying to convert chrisitians to your tangent. i am sorry that you dont want to hear the truth. i am sorry that you cant handle the truth. i am sorry that you dont want someone to take your beliefs to thier logical, ridiculous conclusion.that being said....i did not come in here to fight with anyone. i did come in here to try to get people to realize the ridiculousness of some of thier wild, off the wall beliefs. since coming in here...i have been called everything in the book. i have been accused of all sorts of things. i have been told that i needed to repent due to my not agreeing with the five pointism that yall hold dear. hey, calvin was not God. sproul and nettles are not God either. they can be wrong about things and they are wrong about some things. i know that you probably consider that blasphemous but its not. God is God.adios amigo, vaya con dios,volfan007ps, i see that you have reverted back to not allowing people to blog unless they get thier approval. well, aint that nice. that way all you five pointers dont have to hear people who might lead yall away from the tangent that you are on. i doubt that what i am writing now will be approved. a lot of cults dont like thier followers to hear the other side either.
Pastor Ascol:In light of the last comment that was posted above, I want to thank you for your ministry. So many of us appreciate everything that you do. Please be encouraged; you are making a difference.
Dr. Ascol:I can truthfully say that I believe the Founder's Ministry is at least one of the best things ever to happen to the SBC. I want you to know I support you fully and deeply appreciate your ministry. You are a man of integrity, character, and honor, and you have refused to compromise on the Scriptures. God Bless you!
Jim and Byroniac:Thanks, brothers!
volfan wrote tom,you need to repent. you need to repent of arrogant, self righteous, judgementalism. you need to repent of being off the deep end. you need to repent of trying to convert chrisitians to your tangent.volfan, this 1st paragraph of your 7:54 AM, August 18, 2006 post is misdirected. Change the "you" to "I" and "your" to "my" and you'll much more on track. For the administrator to delete your 5:36 PM, August 17, 2006 post and not others, it must have been over the edge. Civil debate over a disagreement is encouraged and occasional jesting is okay but your insinuations/character attacks do nothing but alienate people and certainly do not win them to your way of thinking (if that is your motive).
I hate clowns.
My dad always said "if you get saved at a circus you'll be a clown all your life"I quess some of them got ordained.
The AP's jealousy finally reaches an unacceptable level when he takes charge of the marquee.
I attend this church. No, seriously. I've attended this service numerous times, and it is without a doubt one of the most spiritual and worshipful experiences I've ever been blessed with. This is not a joke. I understand it's difficult to wrap your mind around(until you experience it), but don't judge. I think is was Jesus who said that, but I could be wrong. No, wait. I'm not. It was him.
This is MY church. I've attended Advent Lutheran for 6 years, and have attended EVERY clown worship we've had. It is without a doubt one of the most touching services we have all year, and I look forward to every single one of them. If you had ever been to one of them, you wouldn't be saying some of these hurtful things. So wise up, and attend one before you bash it.You say clown worship is a sin... that it's blashpemy... I say that it's just as moving, just as meaningful, and just as worshipful as any other service. Traditional services sing songs that have been sung for centuries... What's wrong with worshipping in today's language? I certainly don't say "thee" and "thou" on a regular basis... I speak from my heart, and I would give God nothing less than that. Clown-led worship is led from the heart, with a spirit of happiness... If you have a problem with being happy in church, then you don't understand it at all.
To those who leave a negative comment about clown-led worship I have one question for you. How many of you have actually attended a clown-led worship? If you have then you're entitled to you opinion if not then you have nothing to back up your negative attitudes. it is a moving, uplifting experience that still celebrates God and all his wonder. Just because it says clown-led worship doesn't mean god isn't celebrated.
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